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		<title>By: Lonnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wholeheartedly agree that what you connect with in another author&#039;s work is their voice, their energy and emotions they choose to pour into the work. 

However, I don&#039;t agree that authors should wander around aimlessly trying to figure out what to write, scrapping tons and tons of stuff. While I did some of that for my &quot;first novel&quot; it&#039;s the process of learning what works for you, how you can plot a good story (whether on the fly or in advance), what you care about in a novel, etc. For a first time novelist, that is a daunting task. Courses like the one at &lt;em&gt;(link to commercial site deleted)&lt;/em&gt; can make that much easier.

&lt;strong&gt;jb says&lt;/strong&gt;: Sorry, Lonnie; you made a good stab at promoting the course, but advertising isn&#039;t allowed on this site.
There may be, somewhere, unknown to me, a reasonable course from which beginning writers would benefit. But in many long years of writing, after publishing nine novels myself, and talking frankly and openly with other writers, I have still never discovered one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wholeheartedly agree that what you connect with in another author&#8217;s work is their voice, their energy and emotions they choose to pour into the work. </p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t agree that authors should wander around aimlessly trying to figure out what to write, scrapping tons and tons of stuff. While I did some of that for my &#8220;first novel&#8221; it&#8217;s the process of learning what works for you, how you can plot a good story (whether on the fly or in advance), what you care about in a novel, etc. For a first time novelist, that is a daunting task. Courses like the one at <em>(link to commercial site deleted)</em> can make that much easier.</p>
<p><strong>jb says</strong>: Sorry, Lonnie; you made a good stab at promoting the course, but advertising isn&#8217;t allowed on this site.<br />
There may be, somewhere, unknown to me, a reasonable course from which beginning writers would benefit. But in many long years of writing, after publishing nine novels myself, and talking frankly and openly with other writers, I have still never discovered one.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff@Natural Beauty Tips</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff@Natural Beauty Tips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, i dont know where to start.

First, what a great website, second, thanks.

I have been pondering over doing a novel for years and years. Have started but gave up as i really dont know how to structure, or even where to begin.

I always fail to plan, and as they say, failure to plan is planning to fail.

I think all this info will really help, so a big thanks

&lt;strong&gt;jb says&lt;/strong&gt;: This is exactly what I needed to hear, Jeff. Good luck with the novel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, i dont know where to start.</p>
<p>First, what a great website, second, thanks.</p>
<p>I have been pondering over doing a novel for years and years. Have started but gave up as i really dont know how to structure, or even where to begin.</p>
<p>I always fail to plan, and as they say, failure to plan is planning to fail.</p>
<p>I think all this info will really help, so a big thanks</p>
<p><strong>jb says</strong>: This is exactly what I needed to hear, Jeff. Good luck with the novel.</p>
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		<title>By: tali2</title>
		<link>http://johnbakersblog.co.uk/writing-a-novel/comment-page-1/#comment-110264</link>
		<dc:creator>tali2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 09:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pay-off? Hmm, no, I was talking about the writing. But I may not understand what you&#039;re talking about when you say that, jb...

&lt;strong&gt;jb says&lt;/strong&gt;: When I say &#039;pay-off&#039;, I&#039;m using it as a metaphor for that moment of enlightenment. I didn&#039;t mean any kind of material reward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pay-off? Hmm, no, I was talking about the writing. But I may not understand what you&#8217;re talking about when you say that, jb&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>jb says</strong>: When I say &#8216;pay-off&#8217;, I&#8217;m using it as a metaphor for that moment of enlightenment. I didn&#8217;t mean any kind of material reward.</p>
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		<title>By: tali2</title>
		<link>http://johnbakersblog.co.uk/writing-a-novel/comment-page-1/#comment-110258</link>
		<dc:creator>tali2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 04:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and I also think that the times when writing is &quot;the real thing,&quot; you just know it. You feel it, it&#039;s your core voice, when you&#039;re skin-deep not in your everyday identity but in its very essence. And it&#039;s like a supreme moment of enlightenment. I think John Keats summed it up best with his coined phrase &quot;negative capability.&quot; 

Even if it takes you many bad writings to get to a little bit of real writing, it&#039;s worth it, the feeling and the writing. (Not that I&#039;ve written ten novels, good or bad, mind you. ;))

&lt;strong&gt;jb says&lt;/strong&gt;: I think you&#039;re talking about the pay-off, tali2. But you&#039;re right; none of that ever comes about unless you write in the first place. Writers write. That&#039;s what they do. If they don&#039;t write they&#039;re not writers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and I also think that the times when writing is &#8220;the real thing,&#8221; you just know it. You feel it, it&#8217;s your core voice, when you&#8217;re skin-deep not in your everyday identity but in its very essence. And it&#8217;s like a supreme moment of enlightenment. I think John Keats summed it up best with his coined phrase &#8220;negative capability.&#8221; </p>
<p>Even if it takes you many bad writings to get to a little bit of real writing, it&#8217;s worth it, the feeling and the writing. (Not that I&#8217;ve written ten novels, good or bad, mind you. <img src='http://johnbakersblog.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p><strong>jb says</strong>: I think you&#8217;re talking about the pay-off, tali2. But you&#8217;re right; none of that ever comes about unless you write in the first place. Writers write. That&#8217;s what they do. If they don&#8217;t write they&#8217;re not writers.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this post.  Hearing about the stuttering, the flailing about, and the overall stumbling through part of the process is helpful to someone like me who is really just getting going and experiencing that very thing.  Bookmarked this post.  I&#039;ll be returning to it for some important grounding when I whip out the Zippo in some mad, conflagatory mood.

&lt;strong&gt;jb says&lt;/strong&gt;: Thanks for the comment, Brad. You might also like some of the pieces in my &lt;a href=&quot;http://johnbakersblog.co.uk/a-writers-notebook-i/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Writer&#039;s Notebook&lt;/a&gt; series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this post.  Hearing about the stuttering, the flailing about, and the overall stumbling through part of the process is helpful to someone like me who is really just getting going and experiencing that very thing.  Bookmarked this post.  I&#8217;ll be returning to it for some important grounding when I whip out the Zippo in some mad, conflagatory mood.</p>
<p><strong>jb says</strong>: Thanks for the comment, Brad. You might also like some of the pieces in my <a href="http://johnbakersblog.co.uk/a-writers-notebook-i/">Writer&#8217;s Notebook</a> series.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Murdoch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Murdoch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you here and I think the saving grace for me is that I never wanted to write a novel per se, I simply had an accumulation of stuff in my head that needed to be ordered. Writing was the thing to do with it all – I knew that much – but I never set out to do anything more than write it out. I think giving things names, like &#039;novel&#039;, can actually be counterproductive and off-putting at least at the start. Now I&#039;m soul-deep in my fifth I pretty much know what to expect although I find it helps to think I&#039;m only writing a novella. Even now the idea of writing a whole novel feels daunting.

&lt;strong&gt;jb says&lt;/strong&gt;: Because it&#039;s so daunting we discover displaced activities. I think it was Ted Hughes said something along these lines:


&lt;blockquote&gt;A block is when we can&#039;t get through to the real thing. Many writers write a great deal, but very few write more than a very little of the real thing. So most writing must be displaced activity. When cockerels confront each other and daren&#039;t fight, they busily start pecking imaginary grains off to the side. That&#039;s displaced activity. Much of what we do is a bit like that, I fancy. But it&#039;s hard to know which is which. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you here and I think the saving grace for me is that I never wanted to write a novel per se, I simply had an accumulation of stuff in my head that needed to be ordered. Writing was the thing to do with it all – I knew that much – but I never set out to do anything more than write it out. I think giving things names, like &#8216;novel&#8217;, can actually be counterproductive and off-putting at least at the start. Now I&#8217;m soul-deep in my fifth I pretty much know what to expect although I find it helps to think I&#8217;m only writing a novella. Even now the idea of writing a whole novel feels daunting.</p>
<p><strong>jb says</strong>: Because it&#8217;s so daunting we discover displaced activities. I think it was Ted Hughes said something along these lines:</p>
<blockquote><p>A block is when we can&#8217;t get through to the real thing. Many writers write a great deal, but very few write more than a very little of the real thing. So most writing must be displaced activity. When cockerels confront each other and daren&#8217;t fight, they busily start pecking imaginary grains off to the side. That&#8217;s displaced activity. Much of what we do is a bit like that, I fancy. But it&#8217;s hard to know which is which. </p></blockquote>
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